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Unread postby scottwd37 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:28 am
You know, with various female celebs sporting leotards at different events, you would have to wander, when will we see women sporting leotards out in public, like in the 1980's?

Has anyone seen HOTT! chicks wearing leotards now? If so, where are they? There certainly are not any here in my state of New Jersey.

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Unread postby hothead » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:18 am
There is a woman at my gym that wears a leotard 80's style, but she's not hot at all. A little overweight.

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Unread postby blueoval » Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:49 am
it will take fashion gurus and super models to change the industry to make this happen
There is no such thing as 'too tight'.

If anyone has ANY footage of 'aerobics oz style' from the early 90's, let me know..

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Unread postby scottwd37 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:48 pm
Could we see the return of the leotard before 2010 is over? We all know how sexy spandex looks on the female body.

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Unread postby blueoval » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:22 am
only if the fashion stylist of this world make it a trend. We know leggings made a big come back in the past 2-3 years so it is possible, but its up to those that set the fashion bar in hollywood to make the first move. Without that, Im afraid this underground fetish will remain where it is. Correct me if Im wrong.
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Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:06 am
Fashions come and fashions go....sad as it may be, I think the day of leotards, unitards and shiny tights are pretty much done & over.

Sure, we see some of it here and there, but nothing like the late 70's and early 80's

Hate to say it, but the American culture has gained weight and gotten out of shape. Very few woman at my gym could righteously pull-off anythign so revealing & skin-tight.

Let me tell ya something...after spin-class I swim a mile in the pool. I've tried to get several woman to join me. OMG, even the relatively fit ones are TERRIFIED of wearing a bathing suit in the pool. If they can't have the body they had at 25, they want nothing to do with skin-tight apparel. And this would be something they wear in the water; walking around the gym with their bodies exposed as such....not likely.

Dream as we may, dream as we might....I doubt we'll ever return to the days of tight.
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Unread postby blueoval » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:15 pm
Agree with you there Dynamic Torque.

I very much doubt the return of the leotard apart from an 80's party. Thats about the only place you will find a woman wearing one. Only for fun and for a laugh.

On a day to day basis, 97% of women will despise the wearing of a leotard or spandex in general in public, including gyms unless it somehow is more 'flattering' to their figures.
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Unread postby Dana » Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:38 am
On a day-to-day basis I see shiny leggings at some bars, but that's it. My gym if filled with midriff-baring women wearing sports bras. The number of leotards seen in the last few years: zero. They just don't like spandex. I'm talking shiny spandex, not the ubiquitous leggings.

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Unread postby hothead » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:40 am
Styles change hopefully they will change for the better in the coming years, when they do change it won't be leotards sadly. Maybe more colorful and shiny leggings?

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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby Lycra Clad » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:43 am

DynamicTorque wrote:Fashions come and fashions go....sad as it may be, I think the day of leotards, unitards and shiny tights are pretty much done & over.

Sure, we see some of it here and there, but nothing like the late 70's and early 80's

Hate to say it, but the American culture has gained weight and gotten out of shape. Very few woman at my gym could righteously pull-off anythign so revealing & skin-tight.

Let me tell ya something...after spin-class I swim a mile in the pool. I've tried to get several woman to join me. OMG, even the relatively fit ones are TERRIFIED of wearing a bathing suit in the pool. If they can't have the body they had at 25, they want nothing to do with skin-tight apparel. And this would be something they wear in the water; walking around the gym with their bodies exposed as such....not likely.

Dream as we may, dream as we might....I doubt we'll ever return to the days of tight.

Good point. I also don't think leotards or unitards are making a comeback, no siree! Spandex and skintight outfits made their beginning in the 60's when the material was first discovered and branded as Lycra, if I'm not mistaken. And they slowly gained their place in society throughout the 70's, until it finally peaked around the mid 80's. But ever since we entered that darn 90's decade, Spandex slowly faded away, along with all the skintight outfits that came along with it (e.g. unitards & leotards).

It's a lost cause, in my opinion. Slowly but surely, the generation of Lycra Clad people are dying down. What we see today in fetish online communities and various isolated events is only a form of resistance to the ultimate outcome, which is the elimination of nylon or shine from people's lives, much the same way we no longer dress up as men or women did back in the 1700's.

I'm seeing it all over the place. Over ten years ago, I was shocked at seeing a group of girls belonging to the high school basketball team wearing sleeveless unitards during practice. Shocking as it may seem, at least it was happening. Nowadays it's highly unlikely. In fact, even sports that were highly accustomed to skintight unitards (e.g. Equestrian Vaulting) are now disallowing such uniforms in several events, and are encouraging the athletes to wear more 'appropriate' attire.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:24 am

Lycra Clad wrote:

It's a lost cause, in my opinion. Slowly but surely, the generation of Lycra Clad people are dying down. What we see today in fetish online communities and various isolated events is only a form of resistance to the ultimate outcome, which is the elimination of nylon or shine from people's lives, much the same way we no longer dress up as men or women did back in the 1700's.

I'm seeing it all over the place. Over ten years ago, I was shocked at seeing a group of girls belonging to the high school basketball team wearing sleeveless unitards during practice. Shocking as it may seem, at least it was happening. Nowadays it's highly unlikely. In fact, even sports that were highly accustomed to skintight unitards (e.g. Equestrian Vaulting) are now disallowing such uniforms in several events, and are encouraging the athletes to wear more 'appropriate' attire.

 

Reluctantly, I have to agree with your observations....as much as I'd love to see gym's full of woman wearing lycra, it's just not going to happen. You know what, if a gal walked into the gym wearing a leotard & tights, or a unitard with a thong and cropped-top...other woman would look at her almost as if she was lighting a cigarette! Not only is it not popular, it's UNpopular! Many woman even make reference to it with the preface "I wouldn't be caught dead...."

I suppose that's the thing about 'styles'....it's IN and then it's OUT...and when it's out, you're a joke to wear it again. Then again, look at the sexy stiletto heel...it cycles in & out regularly, same with those big clunky shoes woman wear too...cycling on & off. The lycra thing, it was such a dramatic style I just can't see how all of a sudden we'll start seeing woman in gyms all wearing it again. It was an amazing period of time. I remember going to the gym and seeing woman wearing lace leotards and doing all sorts of amazing things by combining all sorts of combinations. About all we have left today are woman's 1-piece bathing suits....the last remnants of an era gone by. And mind you, we're talking about torso-bound lycra.

As far as legs...that's a different story. Leggings are big right now and I'm starting to notice something new in the last couple months: they are leggings and by all means a totally lycra skin-tight product, but they are meant to be worn with a regular shirt...the rear of the 'pants' actually have pockets and they even mimic the appearance of jeans....but they are totally skin-tight, mold/contour to the body and fit like tights, but the fabric is thicker and has little or no shine. I saw 2 gals wearing them today at a restaurant and they both seemed to be quite aware that they were walking around with their bottoms pretty much revealed for all to see. It's a good thing, but nothing too exciting.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby Lycrafan2004 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:45 am

blueoval wrote:it will take fashion gurus and super models to change the industry to make this happen

I hope this too, but do you really think that this will happen? i guess this is just a dream.... :?
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Unread postby scottyjay98 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:06 pm

Lycrafan2004 wrote:

blueoval wrote:it will take fashion gurus and super models to change the industry to make this happen

I hope this too, but do you really think that this will happen? i guess this is just a dream.... :?

 

I prefer not to wait on fashion gurus and super models to change the industry to make it happen. I rather have a partner who doesn't mind wearing the stuff instead of waiting on the mainstream.

It'd be nice to see a re-emergence in some sorts, but I doubt it'd ever happen. Personally, I believe life is too short to follow the drummer when I can march to my own. I'm certain there's a woman out there who doesn't mind marching to a different beat as much as I do. Those type of partners are a dime of dozen.

To wrap this up in a big shiny bow made out of spandex, why wait when you're able to make magic of your own with a good partner or a future partner who will not mind making that magic with you?

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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:24 am
I suspect there is also a vast difference in perception & thinking when it comes to 'the return of the leotard'.....

For us, we see the garment as something that is super-sexy...to have the body clad in shiny-tight material that outlines the beautiful shape and lines of the female body; we love it so much that some of us, in an effort to more physically connect with it, wear leotards. It may or may not be sexual, but it reaches into our minds and definitely strikes a serious chord.

The thing is, I don't believe most women experienced this back in the day. To them, slipping into a unitard, leotard or any of that incredible exercise-wear was NOT stimulating, erotic or the least bit different then when they put on a pair of loose jeans, a jacket or even a sweater....to them it was just clothing. Did they get horny or wet when they wore it? Well gosh, some guy pretending to be a girl writing for Penthouse sure wrote a nice story about it, lol.

Perhaps it's hard for us to imagine someone wearing such sexy and amazing clothing and NOT getting-off on it....but they do. Just as a carepenter thinks nothing of wearing his tool belt, so too does the ballet dancer drop into her leo with absolutely no regard.

I believe that most woman didn't get-off on wearing lycra....it was just a fad. We'll see leggings, spandex pants and perhaps some other skin-tight lycra...but the total-body wrap and all that great stuff from the late 70's and early 80's...wow, it would take a miracle for woman to suddenly start wearing that stuff to the gym for general use. It's also going to take the general population to lean-out and get fit enough to pull it off too. But like I said, if a woman walks into a gym all decked-out in lycra, she'll be looked at almost as if she's smoking a cigarette while on the treadmill.
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Unread postby titeforfun » Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:45 am

blueoval wrote:only if the fashion stylist of this world make it a trend. We know leggings made a big come back in the past 2-3 years so it is possible, but its up to those that set the fashion bar in hollywood to make the first move. Without that, Im afraid this underground fetish will remain where it is. Correct me if Im wrong.

 

What was that about the fashion bar in Hollywood, check out Lindsay Lohan in her... Leotard and tights... hmmm.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby healthyfetish » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:23 am
DynamicT, good points. The 80's were a wonderful time for my adolescent years, when I first developed a sense of the fetish, but the 90's were a terrible time, with the unwinding of the fashion into baggy cotton nightmares.

However, I am encouraged by these things:

1. My hero, Dov Charney of American Apparel, has just about single-handedly brought shiny back into the mainstream. In fact, I think he is THE reason that 2006-2009 was full of shiny leggings. And not just leggings, but shiny leos, although less prolific. That's almost three years of black wet-look/latex-look leggings thanks to his company, and by extension, a variety of shiny tricot leggings. In fact, in NYC, where I live, I see at least one pair of the wet-look black leggings each day, and I usually see traditional shiny leggings a few times a week. This is a big deal, compared to pre-2006.

2. The proliferation of the "80's Night" events at sororities may not be new - I only discovered this through the help of fetish sites and Flickr, but most of the women there seem to be excited to do it. We're talking about women who did not grow up in the 80's, but rather, twenty-something youths who are open to it and less body concscious than the girls who grew up in the 80's and went through that dark time of grunge fashion and general mayhem that followed. Further, the fact that the vast majority of women under 30 seem to be comfortable wearing leggings and several of those without covering their rears lead me to believe that they would be just as comfortable with a full-body skin-tight outfit.

3. "Real Size" models are very likely going to take over most American fashion. This is a backlash against the unrealistic and unhealthy fashion scene that dominated recent pop culture. You see this trend in articles, because it is new, and also because of the retouching controversies that actually drive arguments to label retouched commercial photos. If women are not constantly besieged by unrealistic expectations of body image, they'll be more comfortable with their appearance. It's really the right way to do things, people are beautiful independently from their dress or pant size.

4. Fashion trends move in 20-year cycles. This applies to a lot of things, why shouldn't it apply to Lycra? I thought that was what we were seeing with the emergency of American Apparel's popularity. You can buy shiny leggings in Wal-Mart again. Maybe we have a little time to go, but I don't see why athletic leotards should be exempt.

Finally, I don't know why this fetish is so significant to me, this and latex. But it is, and clearly it is popular within the fetish universe. Even if the mainstream never picks up spandex to the degree that it did in the 70s/80s, there should be a lot of people willing to share their interest, and meeting a potential partner who can fulfill your wishes is a lot more likely than it was in the pre-Internet era.

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Unread postby DynamicTorque » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:49 pm
HF,

LOVED everything you wrote, it's nice to engage in real conversation and discuss these things. LOL, dare I suggest we're stimulating the upper head... :D

Dov Charney, an Israeli living here in America who is bringing a European's version of what they think American style is, but yes...he's definitely struck a nice chord in terms of fashion interest: what appears as latex/PVC can now be worn as a mainstream garment...love it, live it, lust for it! ;)

I bought my wife a couple of those Gloria-V leotards....lol, the 'shirt' that can never be untucked. She's worn it a few times and she knows it turns me on...but like most things, she's relegated it to the back of her wardrobe where everything else lycra-related I've bought for her sits. Why? well....let's see:

1) It requires almost completely getting undressed in order for her to go to the bathroom...and I can relate, there is nothing worse then struggling to keep any part of your clothes from touching the urine-laden floors of a restroom other then in a home.

2) like all skin-tight clothing, it's relentless and unforgiving...so her little 5-pound tummy-ponch is well defined and oh gosh, wouldn't it be so much easier to cover it with a loose-fitting garment then to have to diet, workout and lose the weight?

She won't wear leggings either, she claims they just don't coordinate with anything that works for her body frame. Don't get me wrong, she's got a rockin' little body with great breast (large breast, by visual contrast, help make even pudgy thighs look comparatively smaller)....but like so many woman with rocks on their fingers, she's absolutely content and happy with her life and projecting a sexy or attractive image runs a close 2nd to making sure the dog is up to date with vaccinations.

High heels? why bother...they aren't comfortable, it's so much easier to dress like a librarian-lesbian. It's like she can't wait to get old enough to hang-up the whole concept of body-image and just wear grandma gear. Frankly, she should know darn well that it turns me on and she should wear it for me...but uh, nope. That's okay, I don't help with the laundry or putting the kids to bed, so I suppose we'll call it even. ;)

ANYWAYS....

There are styles, fashions and trends...and then there are unusual fads that come and go...and don't come back. I mean, seriously....it's been nearly half a century and I just don't see the bee-hive hair-do's making any semblance of return. Come on guys, it's 2010 and that nutty stuff was from the 60's....we're past a half-century mark, nevermind the 20-year cycle.

Like someone else said...back in the day it was a new fabric and at some point it became the hot thing to wear to the gym. OMG, it was AMAZING...I recall occassionally seeing women at gas stations and supermarkets walking around in leotards, the gym's were full of it. In Junior High (now called middle-school) during warm weather half the girls were walking around in skimpy leotards, medium-length light skirts and anything from thongs to high heels. I practically memorized the leotard waredrobe of most the girls in my school, I even remember once jokingly asking one girl if tomorrow, Friday, was burgundy strappy leotard day (she almost always wore her favorite leotard on Friday)...it rather creeped her out that I not only knew her wardrobe but could chronologically anticipate it. Huge LOL there! :)

Hey...show of hands; how many of us would dream about datingsome gal who'd take us home and 'force' us to try on one of their outfits? It's not really that freaky when you think about it...something that sexy you want to touch, feel and explore....who of us wouldn't fantasize what it must be like to have a sexy female body and wear and walk around in such a sexy/wonderful piece of clothing. Does it make us gay? NO, does it make us cross-dressers? No....but it certainly does make us wonder what exactly is going through our minds and how many other guys experience this too?

On a personal sidenote, I was heavy back then and went to a rather unfriendly school...lacking a girlfriend and such interaction, I've often wondered if my 'needs' didn't foster and promote, as an alternative, the "interest"...any thoughts on that?

But on the whole, we can certainly say one thing. There are people who want to touch children, torture animals, choke and even vomit while having sex and an enormous amount of other bizarre stuff that I can't even begin to relate to....but having a fascination/appreciation for lycra and even wearing a bit of it...is about the healthiest, easiest and least of 'fetishes' one could have. If this should be the most bizarre and unusual thing about ourselves, I think we should consider ourselves blessed.

And in closing, I was quite overweight and in bad shape until I discovered the triathlon suit...and in my divine intent and interest to wear it AND look good in it, I harnessed the power of lycra to prompt and inspire me. Yes, I want to look good and be healthy, but a LARGE part of my losing weight was so that I could wear my gear, partially in public, and acceptibly do it. Lycra has changed my life for the better....without it, I'd almost surely still be fat, heavy and taking medication for blood-pressure & cholesterol. Anything that good can't be that bad.... :)
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Unread postby healthyfetish » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:58 am
DynamicT,

All good points, really, about how the world moves on from certain fashion cues. I'm not willing to give up hope just yet! Beehives have been out of style, but elements and influences of things do come back, even funky hair. And there are so many encouraging signs, those I mentioned before, and that I think body image is changing again to more realistic standards. Also good points about the impracticalities of wearing leos in generally unfavorable public spaces, but those issues existed in the 80's as well, so I imagine well-toned thighs were also common.

On your other point - fitness - absolutely. I run several times a week, especially in the cold here (it was 26F tonight on my run,) and I have extremely comfortable insulated leggings that make the run effortless. While I typically run in unremarkable shorts when the weather is warmer, there is definitely a nice edge to running in Lycra when it's so cold outside. :) It keeps things interesting, and has a positive impact.

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Unread postby Lycra Clad » Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:01 pm

DynamicTorque wrote:Reluctantly, I have to agree with your observations....as much as I'd love to see gym's full of woman wearing lycra, it's just not going to happen. You know what, if a gal walked into the gym wearing a leotard & tights, or a unitard with a thong and cropped-top...other woman would look at her almost as if she was lighting a cigarette! Not only is it not popular, it's UNpopular! Many woman even make reference to it with the preface "I wouldn't be caught dead...."

Right you are. In the 60's through 80's, wearing full lycra in gyms and other events was almost as normal as drinking a glass of water. During the 90's, the trend slowly faded away as people began to get more accustomed with baggier clothing, all thanks to the hip-hop culture. However, it was still possible seeing women in full unitards back in the 90's, even though it was getting rarer as we neared the 21st Century mark. Now if you look at things in the past 10 years, there's no chance you'll catch a lady dressed up in one-piece spandex.

I suppose that's the thing about 'styles'....it's IN and then it's OUT...and when it's out, you're a joke to wear it again. Then again, look at the sexy stiletto heel...it cycles in & out regularly, same with those big clunky shoes woman wear too...cycling on & off. The lycra thing, it was such a dramatic style I just can't see how all of a sudden we'll start seeing woman in gyms all wearing it again. It was an amazing period of time. I remember going to the gym and seeing woman wearing lace leotards and doing all sorts of amazing things by combining all sorts of combinations. About all we have left today are woman's 1-piece bathing suits....the last remnants of an era gone by. And mind you, we're talking about torso-bound lycra.

Yep! And right now it's out for us. The lycra cycle just isn't as easy to repeat as other fashion styles.

As far as legs...that's a different story. Leggings are big right now and I'm starting to notice something new in the last couple months: they are leggings and by all means a totally lycra skin-tight product, but they are meant to be worn with a regular shirt...the rear of the 'pants' actually have pockets and they even mimic the appearance of jeans....but they are totally skin-tight, mold/contour to the body and fit like tights, but the fabric is thicker and has little or no shine. I saw 2 gals wearing them today at a restaurant and they both seemed to be quite aware that they were walking around with their bottoms pretty much revealed for all to see. It's a good thing, but nothing too exciting.

I agree with you on that one.

Leggings are definitely big right now and might be for a long time to come. They're a modest form of skin-tight lycra that could act as good clothing for many people. The leggings are back in the loop, indeed!

As for catsuits or unitards, game over. :lol:
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby titeforfun » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:20 pm
The other day i saw a woman wearing a cotton leo with a skirt, she was just shopping for makeup casually, definitely fashionable. she wsnt on her way from dance or gym, just normal casual clothes.
And yes ive seen aLot of girls wearing leggings lately. Especially the wet look ones, i think thats great.

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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:44 am

Lycra Clad wrote:Right you are. In the 60's through 80's, wearing full lycra in gyms and other events was almost as normal as drinking a glass of water. During the 90's, the trend slowly faded away as people began to get more accustomed with baggier clothing, all thanks to the hip-hop culture. However, it was still possible seeing women in full unitards back in the 90's, even though it was getting rarer as we neared the 21st Century mark. Now if you look at things in the past 10 years, there's no chance you'll catch a lady dressed up in one-piece spandex.

As for catsuits or unitards, game over. :lol:

 

I just want to be very clear...it is with total reluctance and regret that we've come to these conclusions. While I may write with passion about how it's over, I'm absolutely not the least bit happy about it.

On the rare occassion that I go with friends to a dance-bar (where woman strip, do lap-dances, etc), it's usually for a bachelor party or guys night out...I would STRONGLY prefer to see woman dancing in sexy lycra-clad outfits RATHER just just plain-boring nude or some of these stupid outfits they wear. I don't know about you guys, but a woman's bare rear-end or breast are just skin...and while it may have a nice shape, I find it MUCH more attractive when tightly bound in colorful shiny material.

Btw..I have my theories and ideas, but can anyone really explain what it is that we like about it so much? Most guys appreciate a woman in a catsuit, but we're the guys who want them to somehow keep it on while we 'engage' them and we even wonder what it's like to wear it. Yes, it's a passive and mellow fetish, but how and why do we have it?
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby Lycra Clad » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:52 am

DynamicTorque wrote:I just want to be very clear...it is with total reluctance and regret that we've come to these conclusions. While I may write with passion about how it's over, I'm absolutely not the least bit happy about it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm also not 'happy' about it. But that's life and we must move on. There's no point feeling bad about it since nothing we do or say will change a thing. It's the fashion industry and clearly Catsuits and Unitards are getting the lower hand at this point in time. Hey, look at the bright side. Perhaps it's game over for this form of apparel in public places but who's to say we can't express our love for them in our private estates? And there's always going to be a demand for it in the business side of things. And by that I meant the internet aspect, which is filled with spandex fetish sites that require membership in order to access spandex-themed pictures, videos and even porn. So it's not all gloom and doom. Our fashion trend simply took another turn. It's no longer incorporated into people's daily lives but it now lives in business opportunities online. Besides, you could always encourage your partner to dress up in one, if it means the world to you.

I also type passionately about the downfall of our hobby but I laugh it off because in the end of the day you could always get what you want. So that might make me less worried about no longer seeing it in public places because I know that I could acquire this feeling elsewhere.

On the rare occassion that I go with friends to a dance-bar (where woman strip, do lap-dances, etc), it's usually for a bachelor party or guys night out...I would STRONGLY prefer to see woman dancing in sexy lycra-clad outfits RATHER just just plain-boring nude or some of these stupid outfits they wear. I don't know about you guys, but a woman's bare rear-end or breast are just skin...and while it may have a nice shape, I find it MUCH more attractive when tightly bound in colorful shiny material.

Yes, I fully agree. It's more exciting because it looks like she's naked but at the same time she isn't, which makes it more revolting and hot. That's the appeal behind our 'passion' (I wouldn't necessarily call it a fetish for myself since I've yet to reach that stage).

Btw..I have my theories and ideas, but can anyone really explain what it is that we like about it so much? Most guys appreciate a woman in a catsuit, but we're the guys who want them to somehow keep it on while we 'engage' them and we even wonder what it's like to wear it. Yes, it's a passive and mellow fetish, but how and why do we have it?

I can't really help you out on that one. I read your earlier post (in page 1) about women forcing their men to dress up in leotards or catsuits. I guess it's all about spicing up your sex life. Most men, in my opinion, probably just enjoy a woman in a catsuit. Engaging a woman while she's in the catsuit is also pretty normal since it looks sexier for you and will help stimulate your sexual intercourse and orgasm. But the thought of men wondering how a catsuit would feel on them is now pertaining to the fetish side of spandex. Now it's no longer about the woman but the fabric itself. I wouldn't advise people to take that path since you never know where it might lead you. Perhaps it could simply be a man wishing to emulate women. I've known a few people in my life who liked to take a role of a woman, even if it was just for a day. Personally I'd never do it; it's kinda freaky, if you know what I mean.

For most, this passion is all about making their opposite male or female partners look sexier and hotter. I'm sure billions have this passion but they just don't give it too much thought or attention.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:42 pm

Lycra Clad wrote:I read your earlier post (in page 1) about women forcing their men to dress up in leotards or catsuits. I guess it's all about spicing up your sex life. Most men, in my opinion, probably just enjoy a woman in a catsuit.

 

LOL, I had to re-read to see if I actually wrote that. It just came across in different context as you made reference to it. Plus, I'm a male-lycra wearing guy...I don't wear female gear, it's usually me giving the female-gear wearing people a hard time.

I think we can all agree that a woman clad in lycra is absolutely delicious, but it's not entirely a radical jump (and perhaps a launching point for many) to wonder what it's like to wear such amazing clothing, to experience what it feels like on our bodies, as we imagine it on a womans body. It's a way of connecting and bringing ourselves closer to the look & feel. It's also more prone to happening if a guy doesn't have a girlfriend or wife willing to wear it for him, he rather resorts, like masturbation, to his own means of connecting with the lycra.

I myself like to think that a woman might look at me, while I wear lycra, with the same lust and admiration as when we look at them. Course, we don't have their shapely bodies so it's not, IMO, the same heat. But then again, (as I've mentioned before), I have a home gym and my very-attractive female trainer comes to our home and I routinely wear a wrestling singlet for the hour that she trains me...and a singlet is basically just a leotard with legs, or a shorty sleeveless unitard. Totally male-cut and made for guys. She LOVES it and says it's hot. At her own home, she'd love to have a husband who cruised around wearing a singlet all day.

Lycra Clad wrote:Engaging a woman while she's in the catsuit is also pretty normal since it looks sexier for you and will help stimulate your sexual intercourse and orgasm. But the thought of men wondering how a catsuit would feel on them is now pertaining to the fetish side of spandex. Now it's no longer about the woman but the fabric itself. I wouldn't advise people to take that path since you never know where it might lead you. Perhaps it could simply be a man wishing to emulate women. I've known a few people in my life who liked to take a role of a woman, even if it was just for a day. Personally I'd never do it; it's kinda freaky, if you know what I mean.

For most, this passion is all about making their opposite male or female partners look sexier and hotter. I'm sure billions have this passion but they just don't give it too much thought or attention.

 

Actually, the catsuit, unitard and all that stuff looks great...but often, upon real contact, isn't quite a nice as it looks. I've had a girl in a leotard and hose crawl in my lap....and the hose felt like sand-paper! But on point, a guy may not so much wear a catsuit or lycra to emulate being a woman, but rather to experience and feel the beauty that the woman may feel being wrapped in lycra. If you haven't worn a unitard and slipped into bedsheets, you're missing-out on an interesting feeling & experience.

As for the fabric itself...I don't have an attachment to that. I can hold it in my hand, rub it, etc....nothing happens. It's entirely, for me, the way it feels on the body and the way it encapsulates you. Obviously, it's different for each of us. Certainly fascinating. To what extent does it get in your mind?
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby blueoval » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:33 am
My better half has decided to buy and wearing 'shape wear' or controlled leggings everyday for the past few weeks. I love it as she is now weraing them and venturing out in public with them. She says it covers and holds her personal imperfections and makes her feel good. It makes me feel good too....lol.

Anyway,my point is, this 'shape wear' etc has been a bit of a craze with the ladies of late as it controls the amount of movement the skin has and it increases blood flow similar to what compression tights do. There is a few designs out there from 'biker shorts' designs to full length leggings and some I have heard of in a unitard fashion. If someone had the cash and knowledge, to create a form of leotard etc that has 'control', or contour capabilities that would be not only make women feel good about themselves but the garment could be designed to look great worn in public and not look 'slutty' or revealing.

I dont know, its a thought, its probably been thought of before, but imagine the designs they could have if they could promote it as being something that makes a woman look like they have lost 3 or 4 lbs. We would also get to see more girls out there willing to wear it if it became a hit fashion wise.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:55 am

blueoval wrote: 'shape wear' etc has been a bit of a craze with the ladies of late as it controls the amount of movement the skin has and it increases blood flow similar to what compression tights do. There is a few designs out there from 'biker shorts' designs to full length leggings and some I have heard of in a unitard fashion. If someone had the cash and knowledge, to create a form of leotard etc that has 'control', or contour capabilities that would be not only make women feel good about themselves but the garment could be designed to look great worn in public and not look 'slutty' or revealing.

I dont know, its a thought, its probably been thought of before, but imagine the designs they could have if they could promote it as being something that makes a woman look like they have lost 3 or 4 lbs. We would also get to see more girls out there willing to wear it if it became a hit fashion wise.

 

What you are refering to is often called Spanx...and yes, it's basically compression underwear that comes in many forms, sometimes it has padding and other layers to make a woman's shape appear slimmer, firmer and all-around better. The good news is that it's generally very smooth, silky & shiny....why? Because they don't want the material to 'bunch' or wrinkle the outside material. I don't believe they make a leotard or anything that wraps around the ass...as this would cause VPL (visable panty lines) under the skirt, pants, etc. But yes, they have unitard and other clever designs. As a rule, it slims & trims them, but if they're that out of shape they already feel pretty flabby about their body so it won't graduate beyond a control-style under-garment.

The sad reality is that today fewer and fewer women have bodies that can pull-off skin-tight and absolutely NOTHING shows-off and reports the shape of a womans body like a unitard; it's all out there for the world to see.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby blueoval » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:26 pm
Oh well, I will enjoy my better half wearing the 'spanx' as often as I can. She has already noticed the increased attention she gets from me everytime she wears it. haha
There is no such thing as 'too tight'.

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Unread postby Lycra Clad » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:05 am

DynamicTorque wrote:LOL, I had to re-read to see if I actually wrote that. It just came across in different context as you made reference to it. Plus, I'm a male-lycra wearing guy...I don't wear female gear, it's usually me giving the female-gear wearing people a hard time.

Good! That's how it should be. If a man wears female clothing in public, I can imagine a lot of disgust in normal people's faces. The same would apply to women wearing male clothing. If there is some sort of fascination behind wearing the opposite gender's attire, please do it at home! We don't need to cover our eyes or our children's eyes from seeing the disgusting image of men dressed up in feminine catsuits or women dressed up in masculine wrestling singlets. Give them the hardest time of their lives, I'd say!

I think we can all agree that a woman clad in lycra is absolutely delicious, but it's not entirely a radical jump (and perhaps a launching point for many) to wonder what it's like to wear such amazing clothing, to experience what it feels like on our bodies, as we imagine it on a womans body. It's a way of connecting and bringing ourselves closer to the look & feel. It's also more prone to happening if a guy doesn't have a girlfriend or wife willing to wear it for him, he rather resorts, like masturbation, to his own means of connecting with the lycra.

Nice comparison, I never thought of it that way. But like I said earlier, these people should only resort to expressing themselves privately. If a man decides to wear his ex girlfriend's catsuit out for a walk, he should be penalized the same way a person does when caught masturbating on an airplane. :shock:

I myself like to think that a woman might look at me, while I wear lycra, with the same lust and admiration as when we look at them. Course, we don't have their shapely bodies so it's not, IMO, the same heat. But then again, (as I've mentioned before), I have a home gym and my very-attractive female trainer comes to our home and I routinely wear a wrestling singlet for the hour that she trains me...and a singlet is basically just a leotard with legs, or a shorty sleeveless unitard. Totally male-cut and made for guys. She LOVES it and says it's hot. At her own home, she'd love to have a husband who cruised around wearing a singlet all day.

You're a lucky guy. Most women do not like a man in tights. They loathe the sight of a stranger's Crown Jewels bulging out of his pants. The only time an average man or woman would understand the nature of wearing tight clothing is when it involves an athlete in an organized sports event. In those circumstances, the aerodynamic nature of sports attire are equally appreciated by both genders, thus allowing people to be understanding of the need of sports men and women wearing skin-tight clothing. But if it's just a stroll down to the local gym and routine exercise, most would not want to be caught dead in spandex. Baggier clothing came after the leotard/unitard era, which naturally corresponds to the fact it defeated spandex in its own backyard. The concept had a greater appeal and that's how it's going to be for a very long time. This is where I got my 'game over' quote from. Women (and men) generally don't want to wear shiny or tight material anymore to the gym. The only exception to that rule is when both genders participate as athletes in an official sports event, in which case they become more rational and won't hesitate to put on something tight and aerodynamic, since it would help give them a slight advantage over their opponents. But that's about the only time they'll ever appreciate the necessity of wearing such apparel. In regular day-to-day activities, on the other hand, there's no chance in hell they'd ever want to be caught wearing one. Sad but true, I'm afraid... 8-)
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby scottwd37 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:50 am
With celebs as Lady Gaga, now sporting various forms of leotards in public, I would like to go out on a limb, and make this prediction, we could see the return of that garment that we all love, on the female body, pretty soon.
Also, other celebs as Beyonce, and a certain actress/singer sported a catsuit on Dick Clark's New Years Eve show, I would like to stand by my prediction.

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Unread postby Lycra Clad » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:26 pm

scottwd37 wrote:With celebs as Lady Gaga, now sporting various forms of leotards in public, I would like to go out on a limb, and make this prediction, we could see the return of that garment that we all love, on the female body, pretty soon.
Also, other celebs as Beyonce, and a certain actress/singer sported a catsuit on Dick Clark's New Years Eve show, I would like to stand by my prediction.

That could be a possibility. Lately I'm seeing a lot of celebrities dressed up in tights and show boasting in front of their audiences. I personally think it's just a small phase. There's no return whatsoever. Notice how in every decade you find a couple of odd things here and there. In the end, it's nothing but a flashback down memory lane.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:05 pm

Lycra Clad wrote:If a man wears female clothing in public, I can imagine a lot of disgust in normal people's faces. The same would apply to women wearing male clothing. If there is some sort of fascination behind wearing the opposite gender's attire, please do it at home! We don't need to cover our eyes or our children's eyes from seeing the disgusting image of men dressed up in feminine catsuits or women dressed up in masculine wrestling singlets.

 

I rather agree, I don't like seeing some guy exploiting his 'interest' in public for his own satisfaction. I read somewhere on this forum about some guy who went for a jog in the hills wearing just a leotard....come on, he's getting his rock's off and we, the public, shouldn't have to endure such visual disgust. Keep your fantasies in the bedroom. A good measure is: don't do anything you wouldn't do right in front of your parents or whole family!

On another note, it's actually quite popular for woman to wear men's clothing...some of them think it's quite clever, cute and edgy. Mostly shirts, pants and some even like to wear our underwear...it generally goes unrecognized because woman get to pretty much wear ANYTHING.

Lycra Clad wrote:You're a lucky guy. Most women do not like a man in tights. They loathe the sight of a stranger's Crown Jewels bulging out of his pants.

 

I don't wear tights. My avatar currently shows a typical singlet. When I train with my female trainer, and it's warm, I wear a men's wrestling singlet; it's like cycling shorts with the top shirt attached. Made for men, cut for a man's body. Because I don't need to wear a protective cup (as they do with wrestling) I have a seamstress sew a pad/liner into the groin...along with the tension of the fabric you do NOT see the crown jewels; everything is reduced to a gentle indistinguisable bulge. I would NEVER want to walk around with 'parts' showing...and THAT is exactly what woman detest about men in lycra; while some men think camel-toe is wonderful, woman do not find a guy walking around with his jewels in a sack attractive. As the rule goes: balls are not boobs! :D

My general rule: do NOT present a visual affront! It would bother me tremendously if a single person (woman, man, child) were to look at me and cringe.

Lycra Clad wrote:The only time an average man or woman would understand the nature of wearing tight clothing is when it involves an athlete in an organized sports event. In those circumstances, the aerodynamic nature of sports attire are equally appreciated by both genders, thus allowing people to be understanding of the need of sports men and women wearing skin-tight clothing. But if it's just a stroll down to the local gym and routine exercise, most would not want to be caught dead in spandex.

 

Yes & No...

I totally agree with you...if I'm wearing lycra, it's because I'm swimming, cycling, spinning or performing exercise of an athletic nature. I don't wear it to my kids school play, to meetings or out in general. I will admit that on my way home from the gym or riding, I'll put a long t-shirt on and sometimes catch lunch or quickly stop at the bank. Everything is pretty much covered-up and my gear has enough padding that even if it wasn't, it wouldn't be an issue. Looking around, nobody seems to much notice or care, but I do see a few woman checking it out...but I think it's the legs, chest and overall picture...NOT the OMG, his crotch is out on display...again; that would be horrifyingly embarrassing!!!

As for your assertion that "just a stroll down to the local gym and routine exercise, most would not want to be caught dead in spandex."...not out here in California. I see lots of joggers, walkers and even woman at lunch just wearing leggings or tights. If you have a fit body, it's out there. Course, I'm not talking about a catsuit or full-body unitard or leotard/tights...I'm just talking about incorporating it into the outfit. But you can go to the mall and find plenty of woman walking around using leggings or tights as pants. Right now there is a trend with these new tights that have pockets and mimic regular jeans, but they are entirely skin-tight and everything shows!

Lycra Clad wrote:Baggier clothing came after the leotard/unitard era, which naturally corresponds to the fact it defeated spandex in its own backyard. The concept had a greater appeal and that's how it's going to be for a very long time.

 

I think America just got sick of dieting, exercise and being fit....woman's bodies got fat and suddenly it was just out of fashion or just too hard a look to pull-off. Some suggest the grunge movement or rap music led the way out for spandex.

Today we still see traces of it here and there...I've seen a yoga instructor wearing a burgundy leotard but with baggy cut-off sweats around her waist....or tights but with a tunic or long shirt on top.

But as we've all concluded, it's pretty much game-over for the general public. Sure, celebrities will continue to push fashion and Lady Gaga, Madonna and most recently Pink will continue to exploit their hotness...but these are like extreme fashions you see on runways...FAR from being what the girl next door might wear. Back when I was in Junior High, it was all the rage during summer for girls to wear snazzy leotards with skirts...that's gone. It almost makes fashion sense, think about it...these gals had to remove their skirt and literally slide out of their leotards just to go to the bathroom...so while being sexy & sassy, the leotard and especially unitard is pretty impractical.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby LA Lycra-Spandex » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:40 am
Does anyone here think the leotard will ever come back? And by "come back", I mean being worn in gyms, yoga classes, etc. -- not just entertainers wearing it.

There's always a few older women at the gym, or at the park jogging, that seem to be stuck in the 80's with their vintage head bands, vintage spandex, and unitards. But I've yet to see anyone bring the leotard (over tights) back.

I did see a girl (late teens, early 20's) at the gym that was wearing leg warmers with grey leggings (with a yellow tank top).
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Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:00 am

LA Lycra-Spandex wrote:Does anyone here think the leotard will ever come back? And by "come back", I mean being worn in gyms, yoga classes, etc. -- not just entertainers wearing it.

 

Nahhh....it's not likely to come back. It'll still be a staple in ballet and some other dance classes, but the days of gym-glamour with body lycra is likely well done & over. It's just something for us to talk about.

btw...did anyone catch Pink's performance at the Grammy's? OMG, HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't find a link, but WOW
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Unread postby LA Lycra-Spandex » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:19 am

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LA Lycra-Spandex wrote:Does anyone here think the leotard will ever come back? And by "come back", I mean being worn in gyms, yoga classes, etc. -- not just entertainers wearing it.

 

Nahhh....it's not likely to come back. It'll still be a staple in ballet and some other dance classes, but the days of gym-glamour with body lycra is likely well done & over. It's just something for us to talk about.

btw...did anyone catch Pink's performance at the Grammy's? OMG, HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't find a link, but WOW

 

You're probably right. I think most women find it to be a ridiculous outfit to wear.

But I'm glad leggings (and shiny leggings) made a comeback on the street! Now all we need back is biker shorts!

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Unread postby Lycra Clad » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:28 am

DynamicTorque wrote:I rather agree, I don't like seeing some guy exploiting his 'interest' in public for his own satisfaction. I read somewhere on this forum about some guy who went for a jog in the hills wearing just a leotard....come on, he's getting his rock's off and we, the public, shouldn't have to endure such visual disgust. Keep your fantasies in the bedroom. A good measure is: don't do anything you wouldn't do right in front of your parents or whole family!

Well said! An excellent rule, by the way. People sometimes think what's good for them is also good for others, which more often than not results in total disgust or humiliation. A guy might enjoy wearing female Lycra for whatever reason he sees fit but to assert that others would find it just as gratifying as the person wearing it is selfish of their personal tastes and opinions. As I mentioned earlier, this is similar to a man masturbating in public without the courtesy for him to think that it might irritate a few people.

On another note, it's actually quite popular for woman to wear men's clothing...some of them think it's quite clever, cute and edgy. Mostly shirts, pants and some even like to wear our underwear...it generally goes unrecognized because woman get to pretty much wear ANYTHING.

I suppose that falls in the line of casual clothing. Most modern gears are unisexual and could literally be worn by both genders at the same time. But if it were a woman in Africa or the Middle East seen dressed up in male outfit, I'm sure she'll attract a few odd glares here and there.

I don't wear tights. My avatar currently shows a typical singlet. When I train with my female trainer, and it's warm, I wear a men's wrestling singlet; it's like cycling shorts with the top shirt attached. Made for men, cut for a man's body. Because I don't need to wear a protective cup (as they do with wrestling) I have a seamstress sew a pad/liner into the groin...along with the tension of the fabric you do NOT see the crown jewels; everything is reduced to a gentle indistinguisable bulge. I would NEVER want to walk around with 'parts' showing...and THAT is exactly what woman detest about men in lycra; while some men think camel-toe is wonderful, woman do not find a guy walking around with his jewels in a sack attractive. As the rule goes: balls are not boobs! :D

Right on! This is a natural formula, also. Men usually find themselves attracted to the female body's eccentric curves and shape more than women do with men.

Yes & No...

I totally agree with you...if I'm wearing lycra, it's because I'm swimming, cycling, spinning or performing exercise of an athletic nature. I don't wear it to my kids school play, to meetings or out in general. I will admit that on my way home from the gym or riding, I'll put a long t-shirt on and sometimes catch lunch or quickly stop at the bank. Everything is pretty much covered-up and my gear has enough padding that even if it wasn't, it wouldn't be an issue. Looking around, nobody seems to much notice or care, but I do see a few woman checking it out...but I think it's the legs, chest and overall picture...NOT the OMG, his crotch is out on display...again; that would be horrifyingly embarrassing!!!

That's the way to go, mate.

As for your assertion that "just a stroll down to the local gym and routine exercise, most would not want to be caught dead in spandex."...not out here in California. I see lots of joggers, walkers and even woman at lunch just wearing leggings or tights. If you have a fit body, it's out there. Course, I'm not talking about a catsuit or full-body unitard or leotard/tights...I'm just talking about incorporating it into the outfit. But you can go to the mall and find plenty of woman walking around using leggings or tights as pants. Right now there is a trend with these new tights that have pockets and mimic regular jeans, but they are entirely skin-tight and everything shows!

My apologies, I actually meant leotards/unitards only. Leggings are definitely back, as I acknowledged one page ago. :)

I think America just got sick of dieting, exercise and being fit....woman's bodies got fat and suddenly it was just out of fashion or just too hard a look to pull-off. Some suggest the grunge movement or rap music led the way out for spandex.

It's interesting how we all have our own different theories. There are 3 schools of thought:
1. America got fat, therefore leotards and unitards were no longer applicable to the general population, so they were ultimately phased out and replaced by something that Americans could easily fit into.
2. The rap and hip-hop culture of the 90's sparked a new fad in fashion trends and helped eradicate shine from people's lives.
3. Baggy clothing was introduced and that led to Americans getting fatter because they no longer had to worry about fitting into tight fabric.

I belong to the third (latter) school of thought. Once they went 'loose', they killed the goose (spandex was the golden egg). They no longer needed to worry about looking fit in front of their friends. Those baggy shirts and pants pretty much set a buffer zone for consumers to eat as much as they want without getting worried about how they'll look on a leotard or unitard.

A second school of thought that is equally important, in my opinion, is the hip-hop and rap culture. The media industry dictates so many people's lives and personalities. To prove my point, look at commercials. If commercials didn't have such a great impact on TV viewers, they wouldn't still be around. The rap culture introduced baggy clothing, along with the new generation of fashion designers that supported them. You could almost see that in the NBA and even Soccer. Shirts and shorts became looser, athletes were no longer wearing the same apparel they used to in the 70's or 80's. The good thing is, it's now changing. Ever since 2008, we're seeing sports players going back to wearing tighter shirts and shorts, especially in Rugby and Soccer. It's quite logical, seeing as how sports usually require more aerodynamic clothing, with as little obstruction as possible. But whether or not that would begin to reflect on the average public remains hypothetical.

But as we've all concluded, it's pretty much game-over for the general public.

Oh yeah, definitely. I really gotta hand it to the new generation of fashion designers in the industry for tackling spandex and successfully pounding it to the ground. None of us saw this coming. The shine, sparkle and tightness of leotards and unitards lasted for more than 2 decades in people's lives. It became almost synonymous to our athletic, recreational and entertainment lives. We saw them in aerobics shows, sports games, TV shows and many more places. In fact, I even remember an 80's Sci-Fi Hollywood movie that depicted how life would be 1000 years from back then. It had women dressed up in full-body Lycra walking around the streets and their outfits were as flashy as shine could be. So even movie producers didn't see the demise of spandex coming, since they were almost assured that it would last for another 1000 years. It was incorporated into people's lives and everyone thought the future has spandex in it, especially leotards and unitards. The only difference may have been slight modifications to the design but nothing more or less.

Then, all of a sudden, a loud bang thundered across the industry out of nowhere. And spandex was no more... Something that felt so permanent in our society suddenly faded away without even saying goodbye. Perhapse it could've also been the arrogance of the spandex designers that led to the downfall. They thought it was always going to be there.

That's why I must really give a big round of applause to the fashion designers in the 90's for changing the outlook of this world in ways that seemed almost impossible. It's certainly not easy trying to eradicate something that existed from the 60s 'till 80's. The new era of the fashion industry conquered spandex and they crushed it good!

It almost makes fashion sense, think about it...these gals had to remove their skirt and literally slide out of their leotards just to go to the bathroom...so while being sexy & sassy, the leotard and especially unitard is pretty impractical.

I suppose you're right. I also agree about the unitard. It's probably the most inefficient and hectic attire among the different classes of spandex that existed or still exist today. I don't blame women for no longer wearing it. Normal gym pants are more practical and reliable. They're easier to wash and somehow better for the new generation of women. Generally speaking, women simply don't feel comfortable wearing uni's or leo's anymore, from a visual and physical point of view. For these people, its 1-0 Baggy Clothing.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:46 pm
Across the board, everything very well put!!

I concur with your 3rd element when it comes to the demise of spandex culture/fashion; after a quarter-century of skin-tight it was just time & prime for the baggy-clothes revolution to take over...and it did with a massive wave of acceptance.

I can tell you first-hand, it only requires modest diet & exercise to be reasonably fit enough to look good, BUT it's a whole other thing to have the hot body to rock a unitard; either you're genetically born with it OR you have to work your ass off and diet like crazy. With baggy/casual clothing, it was all too easy to abort the skin-tight and embrace the calories. Say, could we mark the end of spandex with the emergence of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream? OMG, there's the smoking gun that assassinated spandex!!!! LOL

There might be one other mitigating factor...cost. Some of those designer leotards, unitards and other apparel were not cheap in their day...and if you think about it, durability is just a few steps above hose. When the baggy clothes came along, they cost a fraction and pretty much lasted forever...that probably made it easier for the transition as well.

You know, one of my spin instructors was one of those gals who did those videos with girls exercising and dancing around in skimpy leotards...back in the day. Sooner or later I'm gonna ask her what happened, get her opinion.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby VanMan » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:11 pm

DynamicTorque wrote:You know, one of my spin instructors was one of those gals who did those videos with girls exercising and dancing around in skimpy leotards...back in the day. Sooner or later I'm gonna ask her what happened, get her opinion.

I would want to know, too, from a fitness professional why the trend went from leotards/unitards to sports bras and sweatpants/shorts/leggings. I know the rise in wearing sports bras as fitness tops started after the 1999 Women's World Cup, when Brandi Chastain ripped off her kit top (soccer jersey for those of the rest of us Yanks who aren't used to the footballing terminology) to expose her black sports bra after winning the game-winning penalty kick against China in the final at the Rose Bowl. But why did it get so prevalent that women would rather expose their midriffs yet wear loose below the waist?
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:10 pm
VM,

You make a good point. Today, in spin classes, the serious & fit woman wear cycling shorts and, once class gets started & warmed-up, they strip down to sports bras...it certainly shows their bodies. So why not a leotard?

Well, cycling shorts have padding which makes the 'saddle' more comfortable...the leotard has no padding, so there's one obvious difference. You also have chauffing, the inside of the leg rubbing...here to the cycling shorts or regular shorts have an advantage. If you really think about it, even in an aerobics class the constant motion of the legs contacting eachother would either work the skin or tights...so I suppose the shorts are just more practical and more durable.

Oh, and let's not forget, the cycling shorts stay-put whereas a leotard will creep up the rear...and we see plenty of women doing the quick 'pull-out' manuever where they reach back, work a finger under the material and quickly roll up & down to clear the creep. We still see this today with women wearing bathing suits; for all it's sexiness you have to admit the practicality of a V-shaped rear ass-cover just isn't there.

Beyond that, I think the leotard, on account of it's shape & design is just amazing for it's ability to show-off and highlight a woman's body...the curve & tightness of the rear, the high arches over the legs, the V-shape of the front...nothing shows-off the curves and beautiful shape of a woman more then a high-cut one-piece leotard or bathing suit. It just advertises and projects the shape. While shorts & sport bra argueably reveal a lot, it somehow removes an element of feminicity (is that even a word???:)). So yeah, the shorts & bra are open & exposed, but certainly not as sexy....it's a way for a woman to say "I'm in good shape, but I'm not here to look sexy, alluring or attractive...no shiny material, no flowing lines...I'm here to sweat & work hard!". It's a no-frills hardcore workout outfit that doesn't really call attention like an electric blue leotard or unitard with a neon-pink thong and cropped top.

I'll sooner or later find a way to ask my instructor, we're pretty friendly. But remember, I'm the guy wearing a triathlon suit and while I'm loving it, I want to come across as pure enthusiast...my asking her about leotards n' unitards would pretty much point towards a fetish; something I'm not fond of telegraphing to the gym. They all know I run, spin and then swim...and along with wearing a heart-rate monitor chest-strap and underwater ipod, I rather 'need' the triathlon suit.

Put it this way...if someone were to ask my instructor "what's up with the guy in the tri-suit?"...she'd reply "Oh, he does triathlon training, besides spin he also runs and then swims....all in that same suit, plus it holds his underwater ipod player and HR-monitor in place"....which is so much better then "Oh, he has a lycra fetish and he's getting his rocks off by openly wearing it in class".

LOL, I'll find a way to ask her...but just because she was an icon in the business and been doing it all her life doesn't mean she'll have an answer. Rumor has it she continued wearing leotards and the such a few years well after most every other gal gave it up.
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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby ShinjukuAce » Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:39 pm

VanMan wrote:

DynamicTorque wrote:You know, one of my spin instructors was one of those gals who did those videos with girls exercising and dancing around in skimpy leotards...back in the day. Sooner or later I'm gonna ask her what happened, get her opinion.

I would want to know, too, from a fitness professional why the trend went from leotards/unitards to sports bras and sweatpants/shorts/leggings. I know the rise in wearing sports bras as fitness tops started after the 1999 Women's World Cup, when Brandi Chastain ripped off her kit top (soccer jersey for those of the rest of us Yanks who aren't used to the footballing terminology) to expose her black sports bra after winning the game-winning penalty kick against China in the final at the Rose Bowl. But why did it get so prevalent that women would rather expose their midriffs yet wear loose below the waist?

 

The fashion thing is part of it - once women in general abandoned it around 1990, even women who wanted to wear them had to stop for fear of looking weird.

But there are practical issues also. When women are working out and getting hot and sweaty, they want to wear as little as possible. They don't want skin-tight stuff all over their bodies. Even in the 1980s, women preferred sleeveless leotards and footless tights for aerobics - a sports bra and bike shorts was the next logical step, plus you don't have to totally undress to go to the bathroom. Or clothes like a tank top and jazz pants, which can be worn outside the gym.

And even women who are average size think they look fat in leotards.

Leotards still hang on in ballet, gymnastics, and in amateur circus classes, which are becoming a lot more popular. I took a circus class where you were required to wear either a leotard and tights or a unitard. Many of the women wore a shirt over them, but would take off the shirt for doing upside-down tricks. And there are college 80s parties. But I highly doubt we'll ever see them in gyms again, except maybe in a special 80s aerobics theme class - a gym like Crunch with a lot of unusual classes might offer that if enough people request it.

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Re: The Return Of The LEOTARD

Unread postby DynamicTorque » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:34 am

ShinjukuAce wrote:When women are working out and getting hot and sweaty, they want to wear as little as possible. They don't want skin-tight stuff all over their bodies.

 

I totally hear ya...but there is one point you may be weak on. I can tell you first-hand that skin-tight stuff, unless it's overly thick, is actually very good for keeping cool while exercising. Of all the reasons the leotard or unitard may have become unpopular, staying cool is not one of them.

In fact, the whole outfit feels pretty much like you're naked...and even when you get drenching wet, it still feels very comfortable because it doesn't hang or sag on your body! I've done an hour+ on the eliptical and had my singlet drenched; no problem, very comfortable!

Not to get technical, but a thin fabric that holds moisture is very conducive, through the evaporative effect, to keeping you cool. In spin class, even the slightest breeze makes my moist triathlon suit feel very cold. If you wore no shirt, the perspiration would just roll away. If you wore a regular shirt the moist air acts like an insulator and makes you warmer...a moist & light fabric right against your body is actually optimal! So I'm gonna say 'no'...leotards, tight & unitards are not heat-inducive....BUT they are a royal pain to deal with when you have to go to the bathroom and yes, changes in fashion push things along.
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